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  Malawi Congress Party cards

  by Marvin Shilmer in

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  2. friends

  under watchtower doctrine, during the 1960s and 1970s witnesses in the african nation of malawi suffered terrible crimes against them for refusing to purchase malawi congress party cards.

  how many participants here have ever viewed a malawi congress party card both inside and outside?.

  marvin shilmer.

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  Ultimate Reality

  Marvin,

  Please at least post scans of the documents you have, even if you do not have any commentary ready for them yet. There are some here who would find it most useful in exposing this topic. Thanks.

  --UR
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  Stayed up all night, see it is a cult now.

  by gutted in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i really needed to find a place to write this as i don't believe i can talk with anyone else about my account, perhaps it is similar to a lot of yours.. last night for whatever reason i said i would go online and look up information on jws.

  i have been raised as a jw all my life and baptized the last few years.

  i looked at www.freeminds.org and www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com and couldn't believe how easily the whole of my lifes teachings were refuted.. i can't stop my brain from running, bs just in regards to theology alone (1914, paradise earth, celebrations etc.

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  Ultimate Reality

  You've already gotten some good advice on where to start and what to read. Take your time. How you deal with this will depend on your own personal circumstances. You may also find that your emotional stability increases as you re-assess your life and the impact this religion has had on your thinking. Read Hassan's books and Ray Franz's and be prepared to deal with a wide range of emotions. You will get through it, many here already have...you are not alone.
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  An analysis of scriptures regarding Jerusalem's servitude to Babylon

  by sd-7 in

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  2. bible

  the issues about this have been beaten to death.

  i spent my whole commute to work trying to ponder the scriptures involved, especially remember one of those sites, i think it was jehovahs-judgment.co.uk or something that had this discussion of the scriptures and how all of it supports 607 b.c.e.

  i felt ill-equipped to discuss the issues without reading pertinent scriptures myself.

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  Ultimate Reality

  The jehovahs-judgement site is full of errors in logic, interpretation, and fact. The primary premise on that site, from which the rest is interpreted, is that the beginning of the 70 years MUST start with Jerusalem's destruction based on Jer 25:29 -- where the calamity begins with Jerusalem.

  However, calamity is different than destruction of the temple and removal of Zedekiah. More importantly, if you search that verse on the Watchtower Library you will see that the WT interprets the calamity as beginning BEFORE the destruction of the temple.

  That alone blows up much of the 'reasoning' on the site. Amazingly, Witnesses will use this site as a means of defending the 607 BCE date without realizing that it actually undermines the Society's interpretation.
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  WT 15 march 2010 pag 23

  by marcopolo in

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  2. friends

  i have seen who in version italian wt not so as that english...it misses the tower.

  do you know why?.

  i would like put file photo but not know as do.. can samebody as do?

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  Ultimate Reality

  FYI - The WT does not have 'digital rights' on some of the images they use in the paper version. These have to be substituted for another image in the digital PDF versions.
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  How I obtained my personal files from Bethel

  by jwfacts in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  it has taken me a long time, but i have finally put together an article outlining how i used the law to force bethel to send me my personal files.

  it is a very long article full of scans, so i have linked to it at http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/personal-files-privacy-act-1988.php.

  in brief, in 2006 i requested that bethel send me my files on the basis that the australian privacy act 1988 entitles people to receive a copy of any information a corporation holds about them.

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  Paul, thank you for your effort. You have given a rare glimpse behind the curtain.
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  Holy spirit reveals stuff through GB--July 15, 2010 WT

  by sd-7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  july 15, 2010 wt page 22, 23:.

  would all anointed christians shine?.

  in a sense, yes, for all christians would participate.

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  Ultimate Reality

  All hail the Governing Body for their 'honestly explained adjustments'. Does it not warm our heart that Jesus saw fit to install these 'representatives' in 1919?

  And it sounds like more blessings are going to be coming down the channel! Truly, the end is near!
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  New site exposing "jehovahsjudgment"

  by middleman in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  many of you are already familiar with the watchtower's 10 year association with the un.

  there's also a good amount of us that are familiar with the "flagship" rebuttal site of this association---> http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/.

  time and time again i have been referred to this website when talking to jw's about this issue.

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  Donuthole:

  This is now the standard policy. The Society will not provide any written information directly to a "rank and file" publisher. I think this is because people have uploaded information to the internet, but the more important reason is to avoid legal ties. There is to be no direct relationship (and potential liability) between the Mother Organization and the publishers.
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  Scan Request - Dec. 15 1971 WT chart & full page

  by Ultimate Reality in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey everyone,.

  i am writing an important letter to my family and i would like to get a full page scan with the famous 'chart' of jehovah down to the local rank & file.. i am hoping that the chart and the infamous, "it is a theocratic organization, ruled from the divine top down, and not from the rank and file up.

  ", are on the same page.

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  Ultimate Reality

  BluesBrother,

  Thank you for your contribution, it will help because, "I'm on a mission from God."

  UR
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  Scan Request - Dec. 15 1971 WT chart & full page

  by Ultimate Reality in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hey everyone,.

  i am writing an important letter to my family and i would like to get a full page scan with the famous 'chart' of jehovah down to the local rank & file.. i am hoping that the chart and the infamous, "it is a theocratic organization, ruled from the divine top down, and not from the rank and file up.

  ", are on the same page.

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  Ultimate Reality

  Hey everyone,

  I am writing an important letter to my family and I would like to get a full page scan with the famous 'chart' of Jehovah down to the local rank & file.

  I am hoping that the chart and the infamous, "It is a theocratic organization, ruled from the divine Top down, and not from the rank and file up .", are on the same page. There are plenty of scans of the chart around but the whole page would be most helpful.

  Thanks!

  UR
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  Memorial 2010 Your Experiences

  by scotinsw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just got back from memorial.

  only went so that i could say to my parents that i had gone and to remind myself why i left.. oh my word!!!

  it was sooooo painful.. got there a bit late - it was a couple of minutes into the talk.

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  Ultimate Reality

  The new songs are horrible. They put you in a trance. The old ones for the memorial were quite pleasing and even upbeat (Hail Jehovah's First Born), but that is no longer the case.